Wikipedia talk:Meetup/NYC/Archive 5

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WikiEdu as a brand name - change to "Wikipedia education program"

The Wikipedia community organizes all sorts of outreach to schools. Historically, the general term for any kind of wiki outreach to schools is "Wikipedia education program".

In some parts of the event logs there is a listing for "WikiEdu". WikiEdu is an alternate name for the Wiki Education Foundation, which is an independent organization with its own brand. Probably people who are not employees of that organization should not present themselves as doing projects in the name of WikiEdu. It might be more familiar to WM NYC participants to say that not all wiki projects about female artists are part of Art+Feminism, and not all wiki projects doing outreach to people of African descent are part of AfroCROWD.

WM NYC supports outreach to schools. Sometimes there is overlap with WM NYC's school outreach and WikiEdu, and other times WikiEdu has no particular engagement in the outreach. I think it is preferable to call WM NYC's outreach in education "school outreach" or "Wikipedia education program", and avoid using the WikiEdu brand. WikiEdu typically does not offer branding partnerships, but if the use of the brand name seems important, then we might discuss that with them. It is safe to call everything "Wikipedia education program", but I anticipate problems if we label non-WikiEdu projects with their brand.

I am replacing WikiEdu branding with "Wikipedia education program" on the event page. There could be alternatives, like for example, we could have an education section with a separate WikiEdu subsection, but I do not think that at this time it is worth the effort to separate the two concepts. The advantage of removing the branding is that it makes a space for anyone to list any sort of school outreach, whereas before, it seemed like we only logged WikiEdu events but skipped non-WikiEdu school outreach. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:46, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Lane I adjusted the headings on the Event page. A request that you reach out to me directly possibly? I think this is a lot of effort to explain something that is a relatively quick administrative detail. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 19:40, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Sure - we could talk by voice.

I removed the WikiEdu brand name and then you added it back. I must have communicated insufficiently here because this is not the outcome I hoped for and I am not sure what more to say. Thanks for responding. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

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Communication

I am concerned at the current levels of communication and discourse within the chapter. Which is exemplified above. Why have these super long Talk page discussions here, when we meet in person regularly? It is clear that although people say the Board and chapter needs to meet regularly, this is not happening. I propose meeting and no one responds. If Richard does it, people sometimes respond. But not always even then. All of this creates communication problems. These discussion should be happening in meetings, not here.

This is not ideal, to discuss this stuff publicly, but I, as the Secretary of WM NYC, and as a recently elected Board Member, send emails to the Board google mailing list and get no responses or crickets.

It has been communicated to me that I am creating an unfriendly space. Yet I have been treated in a way that I would characterize as pretty poorly by a few, to the point that I actually think that a lot of the manner and communication of many stakeholders within WM NYC have created an unfriendly space for me.

I have asked for communication, am available for direct person-to-person discussions via various methods. I am trying to help the chapter and my efforts seems for naught. Until we need to do the compliance and reporting work. I am beyond frustrated. I ask for help, I receive nothing. People disappear. People don't defend me or my work. Especially when the unpleasantry is cloaked in uber-professionalism but has an underlying "I'm in charge here" tone. There is bullying happening, whether it's passive or aggressive, it amounts to bullying. I'm sick of it.

All that said, I believe there are constructive solutions. But no one will respond to me. So here it is. -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 20:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

I hear you. I do not understand many issues you raise but I am able to acknowledge the tension and say that I want it lessened.

If you have a proposal for a solution which you wish to share then I would respond to it. You could share it anywhere by typing, which you say is not best, or by voice somehow if you liked.

Beyond the tension and following your thoughts about communication efficiency, but I suggest that to drive interest in a board meeting, there should be a forum for people to contribute to a board agenda. Probably this forum could just be the wiki page for the next meeting. Some of the calls for a board meeting have imagined that the board would meet without advance planning of what is to be discussed, but I do not think that is a workable plan for building sufficient interest in a meeting. Instead, I think the board is more likely to meet when the meetings are structured with an agenda so that attendees know exactly what they would do with their time at a meeting. Do what you wish, and I am not telling you to do anything, but if I were to make a request for assistance from anyone to set up a board meeting, it would be for individuals to solicit more proposals for discussion items at upcoming meetings. The best discussion items would take the form of "challenge - proposed solution - likely impact - cost estimate - vote" and anticipate a certain amount of time for discussion. So far as I know, everyone on the board is watching multiple projects which need some kind of WM NYC support, and which would benefit from having a board endorsement and possibly an approval in a request for chapter resources. Unfortunately for what you are saying about less text discussion, these kinds of board meetings are more efficient when people draft proposals by text and circulate them in advance of the meeting so that at the meeting, attendees already understand the issues. There are other ways to do board meetings but right now, this is the default in place. I do not see an easy way to make these work but at least this could be a starting point for conversation. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:01, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

• My understanding was that this page was for all NYC and area meetups (discussion, notices, etc.) It would follow general WP policy that it doesn't belong to WMF NYC or any one person. It's normal to communicate on-wiki, in the open, but how the org handles its organizational affairs (be they on- or off-wiki) is its own business czar 04:11, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

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#1Lib1Ref 2017

Are there any #1Lib1Ref events happening in the tri-state area apart from the one at Mt. Sinai? czar 04:13, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

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Additional Art+Feminism edit-a-thons

There are a bunch of NYC edit-a-thons happening in the next week (listing at http://www.artandfeminism.org/find-an-event/). A few are in the announcement template, but here are a few more:

• March 7 evening, Etsy HQ in Brooklyn
• March 11, POWRPLNT 12-6 in Brooklyn
• March 12, XFR Collective midday
• March 28, Barnard College Library (LeFrak) evening

czar 22:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

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Passcode

I've tried to "Join program" on the Dashboard for several events, and always get rejected for not giving the passcode: Incorrect passcode

Is this intentional, or did someone neglect to turn off the passcode demand, or to post the code publicly, or miss some other important step? I intend simply to show up at tomorrow morning's A+F at MoMA, expecting to be welcome, but are the others only for people who have been given the passcode in advance? Jim.henderson (talk) 23:21, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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March WikiWednesday?

Is there going to be a WikiWednesday this month? BlaueBlüte (talk) 04:19, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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Some observations from the recent AfroCROWD event

I just recorded some observations made at the recent Wikidata-focused Action=History AfroCROWD event--see the talk page. BlaueBlüte (talk) 04:41, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia for Peace Berlin 4.-18. July 2017

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About the event log

@Jim.henderson: You have been looking over on-wiki event records at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Event archive. Some WM NYC chapter organizers have been talking about changing the way the chapter lists events. I wanted to propose a change and get your thoughts.

We do not currently have a place where all NYC-area events are listed. Part of the reason for this is some confusion about whether events need to be approved by a chapter committee before being listed here. Since this is a meetup/NYC page, and not necessarily a chapter event page, I would like to start listing any regional wiki event here on this page in chronological order by year. If beyond that, someone wants to sort the main list into other lists of "approved", "not approved", "editathon", "workshop", "registration required" or other categories, then they can, but to start I want to have a place where anyone can list anything without discussion. Here are some events that I would list -

• Physical Therapy Edit-a-thon @ Touro College, Tuesday April 4, 2017
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Columbia University/SIPA meetup April 2017

One of these was a private presentation to a group of 30 students in a class and the other was a private presentation of Wikipedia research at a University department meeting. I would like for anyone tracking metrics to have access to, for example, this record of the 30 students editing Wikipedia articles because this is of interest to groups including Wikimedia NYC, the education program, the medicine group, and others. Could I get comments from you about changing this event log to include all sorts of Wikipedia events?

Also, I would appreciate thoughts from anyone else here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:44, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I'd like to see all area events listed here (those WMNYC-sponsored and otherwise), but if the "event archive" page is being used for specific WMNYC purposes, then the solution might be to fork it czar 18:16, 5 April 2017 (UTC)  

czar Thanks - I really appreciate the feedback. The recent imagining has been to use this page as a log for WMNYC events, which means that many events in the area have not been logged. As you say, I would rather have a comprehensive list of every event which anyone wishes to share, then let any individual sort out in their own forked list elsewhere what they wish to count for their own purposes. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:51, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Then the question is, which comes first, the chicken or the egg? I'm more with czar's idea that the chapter events list stays where it is, since that's what the greater number of WMNYC members care about. From that we also fork off the long, simple, chronological list having pretty much all local events of Wiki significance, only loved by the most deeply involved. That's where next week's private Library Council meeting belongs, I figure, but it's a small question. Jim.henderson (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Even smaller for me now. Good weather has put me on wheels doing photography. I'll be busy with pictures all month at least, and hope my words of last month do not interfere with deciding this question properly. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:09, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

Two notice areas

I think this is where Wiki NYC is with things: @Shanluan: just added an event in Detroit to the main NYC event listing and @Jim.henderson: removed it. I think this is correct, but this is confusing because we had difficulty in the past establishing a best practice. I think there should be two event listings. One is at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC where people post upcoming, local NYC, public events at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Header. For any event which is private or not local but still Wiki NYC, post those to the master log at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Event archive which is a chronological tally of all Wiki NYC events. Is there any reason why this system would not work for someone? What other needs do we need to meet? It is has been a long time coming to get to this point and we still need to confirm that this system works. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:17, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Template:Meetup seems intended to list all major wikimeets in the world. We could put that on each current NYC event page, or a pointer in our header, or make a new intermediate-level list for our country or continent. Jim.henderson (talk) 14:41, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

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June 2017 WikiWednesday?

Will there be a WikiWednesday this month? FULBERT (talk) 13:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

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RM discussion regarding "New York" and "New York State"

Talk:New York (disambiguation)#Requested move 7 July 2017 czar 05:03, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

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Wiknic 2017

I have begun Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wiknic 2017. Still many blank spaces and no doubt several errors; feel free to correct as usual. Jim.henderson (talk) 12:50, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Great to see everyone! After leaving the picnic I discovered some hills that you can climb on the west side of the island. Not sure if you all knew about those, but they offer stunning views! Here's two that I snapped:

Next year we might consider doing our picnic over there! :) -- MusikAnimal ^talk 03:31, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

It was pleasant seeing you all on such a beautiful day. I've never climbed the two hills; just biked around them. Must bring my tripod up there some day.

I'm game for a picnic at Picnic Point. Things that work against it include scarce shade, no old forts to illustrate my boring history lectures, and some members might think the walk from the ferry with supplies is long. Jim.henderson (talk) 18:08, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Meetup/Calendar but No NYC

I was trying to find the time for tomorrow's July 19 NYC MeetUp on the main MeetUp Calendar, but it is not there (nor are any of the other previous ones). I have no idea how to fix this, so sharing it here in case any of our more experienced members can do this to complete the circle with local NYC gatherings. Thanks! FULBERT (talk) 10:47, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

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Photography best practices

I don't know where to bring up a question asked the other night by someone I don't know, so here it is.

Many WP articles about photographable things go unillustrated or have awful pictures. Plaques are often shown without establishing shot of their context, etc. So, said the smart stranger, we need to establish best practices. Right; decent pictures seldom require deep knowledge; a bit of understanding can go a long way towards protecting details from being lost in shadows and similar errors. As it happens, this topic would be better in Commons, but there isn't much. There is Commons:Commons:Commons Conference 2018 and Commons:Commons:How to take pictures for Wikimedia Commons and other pages, but nothing on the topic is properly organized that I can see. Especially in video. So, contact me, especially in Commons and maybe with the help of participants around the world we can improve the situation. Jim.henderson (talk) 20:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

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November 2017 Wiki Wednesday

At the October NYC WikiWednesday we discussed when the November 2017 date will be, though I am not sure if that was clarified and decided. Is it planned for 11/15 (4 weeks away) or 11/29 (6 weeks away)? FULBERT (talk) 14:30, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

11/15, apparently. Jim.henderson (talk) 02:49, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

Meeting Oct 26

Thursday evening we met at short notice, for a visit by Nathalie Casemajor from Wikimedia Canada, including Skype call. Afterwards we discussed Board of Directors matters but, lacking formal notice, did not make formal decisions. I don't know the right place to put these pictures but figure those who care will see them here. Jim.henderson (talk) 02:49, 30 October 2017 (UTC)

WikiWednesday is at NYU ITP / 721 Broadway tonight, not Babycastles

Just a reminder, in case you weren't paying attention to the front side of this page, that the meetup tonight is at NYU ITP, located at 721 Broadway, and not at Babycastles.--Pharos (talk) 16:19, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

"Building a Real Boy" on Nov. 20

I was one of the people interviewed for "Building a Real Boy", a theatrical piece about the late Aaron Swartz. It will be performed on Monday, November 20th, in New York City. I am not one of the performers or creators, and can't vouch for the piece, but since Swartz was a Wikimedian, I thought NYC Wikimedians would want to know about it in case any want to attend. Sumana Harihareswara 18:38, 17 November 2017? (UTC)

Wiki Wednesday in January 2018?

Will there be a Wiki Wednesday this month? I know we have Wikipedia Day coming up this weekend, though I have not seen nor heard of our having (or not) our monthly Wiki Wednesday as well. For what it is worth, I would vote to still have one, as it would be a great opportunity to debrief Wikipedia Day while it is still fresh so we can capture that energy to help with next year's planning (not to mention we may have some new members as a result of a positive Wikipedia Day). FULBERT (talk) 12:35, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Pretty sure none is planned, though being sick and out of the planning loop last month I might possibly have missed it. I don't think it's too late to set up a side session in a room with a dozen chairs or more, and surely we can have a few different people give consecutive lightning talks on the topic. Jim.henderson (talk) 15:33, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

I have not heard anything Jim.henderson about one, so that is why I posted it hear. I do think that having time to debrief, evaluate, and write up an evaluative report or capture this in some way would be useful for our planning and reporting functions. Pinging @Megs: and @Pharos: for input as well.

Meetups for other languages

Someone asked me today whether there are NYC-area meetups for Wikipedians who edit in languages other than English. Any ideas? (She was interested in French, specifically.) czar 03:14, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

March WikiWednesday cancelled due to Nor'easter!

We've cancelled the WikiWednesday that was going to be tomorrow, due to weather. Enjoy the many edit-a-thons for the rest of the month.--Pharos (talk) 01:59, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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